Please help me research transfers shot down by MLS/Revs
by fennsk1 on Jan 18, 2012 10:01 AM EST
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PrintI am working on an article for another SBN blog concerning the history of MLS and its clubs rejecting transfer offers. I immediately thought of Taylor Twellman, then I remembered an allegation that the Revs were extremely hesitant to let Dempsey move to Fulham. Did Shalrie Joseph stay put because the Revs blocked his potential transfer, or did Celtic backed out?
Of course, I hit upon this idea the day that Wikipedia is blacked out (bug your congressmen to block SOPA and PIPA, those acts could hurt SB Nation, too). I'd like to include fans' perspectives in the article anyway, so here are my questions:
- Which transfers do you remember the Revs (or any other MLS team) blocking? Any details such as dates, fee offered, amount of time left on the player's contract at the time would be fantastic. Please specify the level of confidence you have in the memory of those details.
- How do you feel about this issue? Should MLS teams transfer players in most cases if a fair price is offered? What would you have considered a fair price for the players' whose moves were blocked?
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I'll see what I can remember
As for Dempsey, I believe an offer was made for him but the Revs shut it down and tried to renegotiate his contract. Clint basically told them to eff themselves, so when Fulham came calling they cut a deal and sold him.
Taylor Twellman had a million-plus dollar deal in place with MLS to move to Preston North End in 07 or 08, before he was injured, but the Revs killed the deal.
Shalrie to Celtic wasn’t killed by Celtic. I think the Revs crushed that deal, too, but then they turned around and paid Shalrie more money if I’m not mistaken, so it all worked out.
Other than that, I have no idea. I do believe that Parkhurst was sold to Nordsjaelland with the Revs blessing, but that was after he made clear that he wanted – and deserved – more money than a defender was worth to the Revs on the salary budget. The tricky thing here is figuring out which deals were killed by the Revs (Twellman was definitely New England) and which deals were blocked by the league. MLS has to approve a transfer, THEN the teams approve it.
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From what I heard
MLS killed two offers from Celtic for Joseph because it was back when the league had more control over transfers and probably didn’t want one of its best center mids ever to go elsewhere. (This info is from Wikipedia by the way so when it comes back you can obviously check if this is correct…) I heard Celtic first offered a million then they tried to offer 2 million to no avail. I’m sorry I have no idea on the Twellman, Parkhurst or Dempsey situations but I think Clint was sold for around 4 million… Please take this info with a grain of salt because I just started to follow the Revs a couple years ago. People on these blogs like Steve are definitely better to ask but I want to help.
I will say for your second question I can obviously see hesitation from fans, owners, Garber, and pretty much everyone in the league over transfers. MLS would like the best players here especially the Americans to help the sport grow and as a fan, I certainly don’t want to see the best Revs players exit. However, on a practical level, if EPL, Bundesliga, etc teams come sniffing around for MLS players it shows big clubs are looking for and recognizing US talent and moves like this can definitely help someone say Tim Ream’s career as it helped Dempsey’s. All in all, if it’s a fair price I say go for it but that club better use the transfer money wisely!
Tem blocked Celtic Twice
I do remember the Revs blocking Joseph moves to the Celtics twice before the Celtics giving up. I felt they shafted Shalrie on that one.
For Twellman, I remember reading what I felt was a low ball offer and agreed with the Revs refusing it. Taylor was worth way more in my opinion.
For Dempsey, I believe the Revs tried to block him but the offer from Fulham was such (5M I think) that the MLS basically told the Revs to shove it.
I do not know abou Parkhurst, Adin Brown, Andrey Dorman and Pat Noonan moves.
As a fan, I realize that the MLS is a feeder league and that the best element will go play for league that will pay them way more than the MLS can. Financially, we are at par with Africa as a feeder league in my opinion. Even the Ligue 1 in France, which I am very familiar with pays way more than the MLS (and I am not talking the OM, OL or PSG of the land) and is considered a feeder league. Well, not PSG anymore, thanks to the Qataris money.
I hope this helps.
Dorman and Noonan were out of contract
The team did not make Dorman an offer (after he was the team’s second-leading scorer in ’08, his last season here. An inexplicable Nicol move, of which we are seeing many) and I believe they declined to offer Noonan a raise that he coveted and, at the time, probably deserved.
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by Steve Stoehr on Jan 18, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
Steve,
thanks for the clarification. Once again, the old F.O. regime was true to its pathetic form,
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